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Oh, sorry, I interpreted your meaning differently.

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Could someone please explain to me in simple terms :) what cohba is? I know it isn't magic so what is it? What examples can you give me? :D

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Good question...I'm not entirely sure, but I think cobha would be something similar to super-human abilities. For example; a shape shifter's ability to change into different beings would be cobha since it isn't magic, but rather an ability that is above average.

I think that's the best I can describe it...I'm not sure, though.


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It's a natural part of your world that is not in our world. The Dwarves skills at mining is cobha, as is the shapeshifters ability.

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Could someone please explain to me in simple terms :) what cohba is? I know it isn't magic so what is it? What examples can you give me? :D

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To paraphrase Sir Emeth's interpretation of Tsahraf's description of Cobha:
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Cobha is those natural laws and processes, as a group, which are different from our world but normal in a fantasy world. So cobha is what is impossible, made possible in the fantasy world of your imagination. Thus, something which might be magical in our world, might be normal in a fantasy world.

If I am understanding cobha correctly, anything in a fantasy world that is normal for that world but which does not exist in our world is cobha. Examples from The Lord of the Rings include races such as hobbits, elves, and dwarves; weapons like the sword Sting; the One Ring; the wizards; Sauron, etc.

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Aaah now I understand it better! Thank you so much everyone for explaining! :D

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I totally didn't get it either when I first read it.

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So basicly, an otherworld is the inverse of a familierworld. And cobha is like a skill or talent in one world that would be supernatural in the other?? Like a dragon that can breath fire, or elves that can hear really well, ect. Is that correct? :?

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So basicly, an otherworld is the inverse of a familierworld. And cobha is like a skill or talent in one world that would be supernatural in the other?? Like a dragon that can breath fire, or elves that can hear really well, ect. Is that correct? :?


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Let me know if I got this right. From what I've read, Cobha is a term created to describe the fantastic/magical elements presented as reality within a fictional world. So if I had a fictional world that had dwarves and magic but within my world I called those elements, let's say, "Sarsha," it would be the same as calling it Cobha?

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In another sort of fiction (fantasy), events that are physically impossible, and are as carefully written by the author as the rest of the story, are included so that the reader may experience things that are physically impossible.

What is confusing me is that I'm interpreting the meaning of Cobha as another way of saying "suspension of disbelief."

Using LoTR as example, the reader knows the world this story takes place in is fictitious, as are the races, characters, and magic. However, because these fantastic elements are presented as reality/normality within this fantasy world and the writing is able to capture the imagination, the reader is willing to suspend their disbelief and are able to accept a world of magic, hobbits, and a ring with great power.

Another example would be Superman. It is impossible for a man to fly, have laser eyes, and be invincible, but the story is presented in a way that allows us to suspend out disbelief of those facts. Superman is also a great example of when the suspension of disbelief is broken. People have no problem believing his powers but can't accept that he is able to disguise himself by wearing glasses.

Please correct me if I'm completely off target. I tend to do that a lot. :rofl:

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Suspension of disbelief is similar, but not quite the same.

Cobha is something that would be supernatural in our world, but isn't in the otherworld. If something happens that is supernatural there, then that wouldn't be cobha.

Does that help?

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This is what I'm gathering.
Example of Cobha: Tolkien's Dwarves are all very good smiths. In Middle-Earth (the Otherworld) this is a perfectly normal trait.
Example of Magic as compared to Cobha: Say one of the aforementioned Dwarves learned to fly. This is not a normal trait for Dwarves in Middle-Earth. This is not a Cobha, it is the Dwarf using some sort of 'magic'.
Note: I'm not sure how he learned to fly. It's a rather vague example.

In that case, ideas such as God giving out exceptional talents to people would fall under a cobha. i.e. One person has great musical talent. The next person can start fires just by thinking: I need a fire.
If that is seen as a normal trait in the Otherworld, it is a cobha. All we've done is diversified the talents that people can have.

However, if starting a fire with your mind is not a normal talent that is spread amongst people, then it is a magic. Whether you were born with this ability, or you have gained it from some source either evil or good, it cannot be a cobha because it still isn't normal.

Am I working along the right lines, here? Tsahraf? Emeth?

I'm thinking we need to break these ideas down into categories. *goes to work on that*

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That is a very good explanation, Inesdar, thanks.

To put it in a list (though lists are rather uncomfortable):

Miracles: The power of God and his Angels

Electrical system (this may or may not be put in natural law): The limited and little known powers of the human spirit

Natural law: What is allowed by the course of nature which God set and sustains in motion

Sorcery: The power of fallen angels (certainly far more limited than miracles, and probably far less limited than the electrical system)

Cobha: Those abilities (whether of plants, animals, or creatures that bear the Image of God) which are not known to be allowed by natural law in the Familiarworld, but are allowed by the imagination in fiction.

(As a note, the word Familiarworld was coined by me to mean "real life," rather than an imaginary version of "earth," for instance, the England of the Chronicles of Narnia, or an Otherworld, such as Narnia.)


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The art of doing things which it is the peculiar province of God to do; or the power or act of performing supernatural things by invoking the names of God or of subordinate agents; magic. This has been divided by some writers into three parts; theurgy, or the operation by divine or celestial means; natural magic, performed by the powers of nature; and necromancy, which proceeds by invoking demons."-Websters 1828 Dictionary

I found this word and definition after I had developed the list arrangement I showed you.

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Electrical system (this may or may not be put in natural law): The limited and little known powers of the human spirit

What is the Electrical System? Are you talking about the Familiarworld here? If so, could you explain what this means? Is this our spirit/soul supposedly influencing our body when we make a moral decision? :book:

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Yup, the Familiarworld, just a part of it that has not been very familiar to our culture. It probably has to do with the connection between our spirit and body. This category is rather vague, possibly including any of the following: second sight, telepathy, EFT, shared dreams, kinesiology (I think). But it does not really have anything to do with cobha, unless to know what is really possible in the Familiarworld, and therefore not neccessarily cobha in a story.

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Ah, ok. So, would stuff like spiritual discernment and prophecy fall under that? I'm not used to the categories you mentioned there. But I see what you mean about it being uncertain whether or not to put this under natural law.

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