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 Post subject: "Magic"
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:56 am 
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I use "magic" in my fantasy stories. But not like Harry Potter, or Eragon, more like Lewis and Tolkien. You see my "magic" is more like divine power. You might think of it as God giving someone the ability to do things they could never do through human ability. Now, the villain’s power is altogether different. It really is magic, or witch craft.
When I think in terms of magic for a Christian fantasy I think of the power God has, the power Satan has and how people here on earth try to tap into it. In my worlds there are two kinds of power. The good kind, (Divinely granted gifts) and the bad kind, (demonic fueled magic).

Magic is a very hard subject when it comes to Christian fantasy. If someone asked me if I believed magic to be wrong, I'd ask them what kind of magic they are talking about. Real magic is altogether evil and the Bible tells us to stay away from it. Then there's Fairy Tale magic, that just plain isn't real. Miracles have been called magic, but are they magic? No, they're God's power in action.

I hope I didn't confuse you all too much. What do you think? Do you use "magic" in your stories? Do you agree or disagree with me? Anything to add?

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:59 am 
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I only allow my evil charries to use magic, because for me it's easier to explain where it came from. I'm not against Tolkien/Lewis style magic, because it's clearly good or evil. Harry Potter... eh, I don't really like that kind of magic. But I won't start on that.


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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:31 am 
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In my (new) allegory, there is no magic but the elves are gifted with Dreshna which is like a supernatural connection to Eshyklah. The seers are gifted with the power to use nature (wind, water, storms, etc). Neither of these are magical gifts, both are given by Eshyklah and although they have magical properties, they aren't magic.

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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I definitely use magic in my stories. What I really enjoy is taking words from different languages, and using different words with the same meaning to represent good and bad.

In one of my stories black magic is called "gramarye", and white magic is called "magyk". I don't think that books should rule out miracles, or God's power, OR demonic power. Those things are very real, and I don't think should simply be glossed over.

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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I absolutely agree. We don't want to use miracles as easy answers for tough situations, but miracles are real so we want to let God's power be shown through our stories.

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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Yes, I believe that that is called Deus ex Machina, and is not only a sign of poor writing, but is also extremely annoying to read about.:)

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Nessa- She's given up the veil, the vows she'd sworn, abandoned every effort to conform. Without a word to anyone she's gone her way alone, a dove escaping back into the storm.

Nolan- And though I don't understand why this happened, I know that I will when I look back someday, and see how you've brought beauty from ashes, and made me as gold purified through the flames.

Azriel- And who do you think you are, running round leaving scars, collecting your jar of hearts, and tearing love apart? You're gonna catch a cold from the ice inside your soul, so don't come back to me. Don't come back at all...


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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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I'd agree. A well-placed, well-used miracle can show God's providence miraculously, though.

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 Post subject: StoryGirl's Magic
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Here is a scene in which my villain is using demonic power to communicate with his lord, who is the Lord of Demons.

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In the center of the table sat a black bowl supported on a horned stand. Its reflective surface mirrored the torchlight, creating a fiery illusion. A clear liquid slowly churned within, as if possessing a life of its own. Regulus held his closed right hand over the bowl and chanted an inaudible phrase in a guttural voice. On and on he chanted, increasing the rhythm and volume with every verse. His out stretched hand began to tremble. The liquid in the bowl pulsed and radiated an orange glow. Regulus opened his hand. A black powder dropped into the bowl. Instantly a dense cloud of ashen smoke erupted from the liquid. Regulus stopped chanting. The cloud grew until it reached the ceiling, hand-like wisps curling around its edges. A dark silhouette took shape within the cloud. As if turning to face Regulus, the shadow stirred, and moved closer.

“Master,” Regulus said in a delicate tone.


I rewrote this scene a few times and honestly, I really like how it turned out.
What you you all think about it?

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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Good job defining the magic there. How exactly does it work, beyond what you explained?

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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The liquid in the bowl is a "window" of sorts, the powder the "lock", and the chanted spell the "key". So, in order for him to "call on" is master he had to combine the liquid and powder (lock with the window), chant his spell, (insert the key), and if his master was in the right place and willing to talk, the window would open. Make sense?

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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Yes, I like how specific that is. Good job. You should post that story...

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Thanks. Maybe... ;)

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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StoryGirl wrote:
In my worlds there are two kinds of power. The good kind, (Divinely granted gifts) and the bad kind, (demonic fueled magic).


My magic is very similar to that. The good characters are able to use "magic": because it is a gift from God, and the bad characters gain the use of magic by trying to control demons, though they often end being controlled themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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The evil part sounds like real life magic.

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Yeah, basically.

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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Nice.

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My magic is kind of like the magic in Donita K. Paul's Dragonkeeper Chronicles...and the kind that we're talking about here. Good magic is a gift from God, and evil magic is a power from the Evil One. The name for God in my world is Quintor. (So called because all the elements-- Fire, Air, Earth, and Water-- have power. Fire breaks enchantments, Water breaks mental connections, and I haven't decided on the Air and Earth yet. But Quintor is the 'fifth element' and holds everything together.) I haven't decided on a name for Satan yet...maybe simply Evil One. The humans in my world have magical gifts from Quintor, (such as invisibility at will, communication with animals, maps, cooking/herbs, etc.) and the elves have added agility, longer lives, etc. typical to elves. They can choose disbelief in Quintor or the Evil One, which doesn't affect their gifts or the ability for magic, but like in our world they have a hole that needs to be filled with God. They aren't fullfilled until they find him. Make sense? ;)

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Wow, very interesting.

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I still have a lot of holes in it. For example, I need to figure out some limits to it...why my characters didn't use magic to solve some of their problems, why the villain doesn't just put a spell on the people s/he wants to dominate, etc.

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The character I just added to my story uses something that could be called magic, but it's just something that his race can do naturally. Yeah.... still working on that lol


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