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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:25 pm 
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Really, everything is under God, so God would have created and controlled it. Good point.


So therefore that fact ought to be pointed out in the book lest the reader think that God has nothing to do with it. Yes?

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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Good point.
I don't think that the Force is meant to be really mystical. It is kinda the cobha of the Star Wars universe.
If you read any of the extended universe Star Wars books, you see a lot more mysticism creeping into the whole Jedi-Force relationship. That's one of the reasons I've kinda gotten out of reading the books.

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Seer wrote:
Griffin wrote:
Good point.
I don't think that the Force is meant to be really mystical. It is kinda the cobha of the Star Wars universe.
If you read any of the extended universe Star Wars books, you see a lot more mysticism creeping into the whole Jedi-Force relationship. That's one of the reasons I've kinda gotten out of reading the books.


Including events (if I remember correctly) where characters "becoming one with the Force", meaning that rather than simply using the Force the actually allow the Force to enter and use them. It is also good to note that the good and evil within the Force must be balanced, which would indicate that evil is valuable in some way. So it's not bad, necessarily.

So, following Jay's question, we could say this is an example of cobha gone wrong. It's not always a good thing. (Although it certainly avoids many problems.)

I'm starting to suspect that the Cobha section of my series might be a two parter. Or three. Oh dear.

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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Neil of Erk wrote:
So, following Jay's question, we could say this is an example of cobha gone wrong. It's not always a good thing. (Although it certainly avoids many problems.)
Other natural aspects of our world aren't necessarily good things even though God is their source. Some people sing beautifully about things that DO NOT honor God. Some people (Hitler, serial killers) use their extraordinary intelligence to devise EVIL plans. People have even found ways to use the very atoms that God built the world with as a means to cause horrible destruction. In a fallen world nothing "natural" is inherently innocent just because God is it's source. In Mythica people can use the "supernatural" abilities granted them by God for good or evil dependent upon the person, even though GOD was the one that gave them those abilities. That whole "free will" thing.

And as for "Cobha gone wrong," a non-believing secular author writing for secular audiences would feel no obligation to use Cobha correctly.

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I'm starting to suspect that the Cobha section of my series might be a two parter. Or three. Oh dear.
YAY!!! Won't that be fun for you to write ;)

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 Post subject: Re: "Magic"
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Well, to me there a difference between "magic" (something made up for your stories) and the witchcraft/sorcery/magic which is real and is in our world.

And people say that you shouldn't have it because the Bible says so, but it also says not to kill people, and I don't see people having a problem with that in a book. To me the "fantasy" there is not real, it's a story. That is how I see it anyway.
(though in the fantasy I'm writing there is no magic, but there is alchemy, and the alchemists use their power to fool people into thinking they're magicians.)



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