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* splits personalities a split second before I fall down dead * Oh...apparently – that poison was fatal. * blinks at dead self * I wasn't expecting that, sorry.

But anyway... * discreetly pushes corpse a little further away with foot * The Point I was trying to make was – some poisons aren't fatal. I just happened to have been unlucky just now. But the normal thing for a character in a novel to do upon being poisoned is, in my experience, to fall over dead. * cocks head * But...poisons can do other things too, and novelists ought to be known for their creative ways of torturing their characters. * evil giggle * (Only slightly less disturbing than an evil laugh, if done correctly.)

Sooo... * grins * What dastardly things can we do other than just being boring and actually killing them?

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I have a useful and interesting book called Deadly Doses: A Writer's Guide to Poisons.

There are some things that are (sometimes) necessary in small quantities, but poisonous in larger quantities, or necessary to some people and poisonous to others. Deadly Doses inlues an anecdote (probably fictional, but I don't remember) about an elderly woman whose son was tryng to kill her by subtle, gradual arsenic poisoning, adding a little to her porridge every morning, until he grew frustrated with how heathy she continued to be and just shot her. It turned out that she was one of the few people who need to take a little arsenic (or whatever it was) to remain properly healthy, but she had stopped taking her medication to try to commit suicide.

There are poisons that kill instantly, and poisons that kill gradually. And there are some where the antidote is poisonous: the hero of most of Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan Saga (Miles Vorkosigan, the "military genius with bones of glass") has tremendously fragile bones because of the effects on him in the womb of the antidote to a poison used on his mother.

And poisons can have lots of "side effects" in otherwise-nearly-innocuous doses; for example, strictly speaking, alcohol is a poison that causes liver damage, as are other mind-altering drugs.

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Wow! An antidote that's poisonous... That holds worlds of possibility.

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Wow! An antidote that's poisonous... That holds worlds of possibility.

In the Vorkosigan series, in the incident I mentioned: It was the mother that was poisoned; the antidote didn't do any harm to her, just to her unborn son. There are any number of medications here and now that pregnant women are advised not to take.

Another interesting twist (that I've used once in a story, and will probably use again) is to have one poison appear to be another poison (or even an innocuous substance) in some of the scans or analyses that are part of an autopsy.

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* evil giggle * (Only slightly less disturbing than an evil laugh, if done correctly.)
Interesting. I've always thought that an evil giggle would be slightly more disturbing when done properly....

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Sooo... * grins * What dastardly things can we do other than just being boring and actually killing them?
I like this thought. :cool:

We could debilitate them or cause them severe pain. Hmm... *has thought* What if there was a poison that didn't do any actual damage, but increased the damage other harmful things did (and even caused some normally nonharmful things to become harmful)?

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That is an interesting post, kingjon. Thankyou.... :)

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There are poisons that kill instantly, and poisons that kill gradually. And there are some where the antidote is poisonous: the hero of most of Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan Saga (Miles Vorkosigan, the "military genius with bones of glass") has tremendously fragile bones because of the effects on him in the womb of the antidote to a poison used on his mother.

And poisons can have lots of "side effects" in otherwise-nearly-innocuous doses; for example, strictly speaking, alcohol is a poison that causes liver damage, as are other mind-altering drugs.


Fragile bones...that is especially interesting. I never thought of that. * taps nose * I like that idea.

Definitely. :D

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* evil giggle * (Only slightly less disturbing than an evil laugh, if done correctly.)
Interesting. I've always thought that an evil giggle would be slightly more disturbing when done properly....


* grins * I guess it depends on who you're trying to disturb.

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Sooo... * grins * What dastardly things can we do other than just being boring and actually killing them?
I like this thought. :cool:

We could debilitate them or cause them severe pain. Hmm... *has thought* What if there was a poison that didn't do any actual damage, but increased the damage other harmful things did (and even caused some normally nonharmful things to become harmful)?


That's an interesting idea. * thinks *


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Oh! Oh! Mind-altering poisons! Neurotoxins anyone?

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Perhaps a poison that causes them to lose fine motor control/forget skills would be interesting? Or a poison that causes a main character to go blind or lose hearing? Those are both ideas I have had...

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Oh! Oh! Mind-altering poisons! Neurotoxins anyone?
Ooooh... temporary schiezophrenia anyone? :D

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Perhaps a poison that causes them to lose fine motor control/forget skills would be interesting?


Yes, I like that idea!

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Oh! Oh! Mind-altering poisons! Neurotoxins anyone?
Ooooh... temporary schizophrenia anyone? :D


What do you mean by schizophrenia, exactly?


0.0 What if you had a poison that would permanently change someones entire personality?


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0.0 What if you had a poison that would permanently change someones entire personality?

It would be nearly impossible at best. You might be able to pull of personality change similar to what can happen with things like Alzheimer's or whatever, but other than that, the precision required would be, I think, impossible to achieve, because I'm pretty sure there's no functional difference in the neurons. Now, if you could pinpoint the specific places where personality is, assuming such a thing exists, you might be able to make a virus or something that targets it. I'd be skeptical, though, unless you're using magic in some fashion. Even then, I'd probably think it's a little lame. An interesting thought, though.

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Oh! Oh! Mind-altering poisons! Neurotoxins anyone?
Ooooh... temporary schizophrenia anyone? :D


What do you mean by schizophrenia, exactly?
Probably something that isn't what the word means. :roll:

Actually, nothing particular. Just something that would cause temporary personality changes and/or multiple personalitites.

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Lady Rwebhu Kidh wrote:
0.0 What if you had a poison that would permanently change someones entire personality?

It would be nearly impossible at best. You might be able to pull of personality change similar to what can happen with things like Alzheimer's or whatever, but other than that, the precision required would be, I think, impossible to achieve, because I'm pretty sure there's no functional difference in the neurons. Now, if you could pinpoint the specific places where personality is, assuming such a thing exists, you might be able to make a virus or something that targets it. I'd be skeptical, though, unless you're using magic in some fashion. Even then, I'd probably think it's a little lame. An interesting thought, though.


* taps lip * Now, I'm not sure about the impossibility of it. I have heard of people with whom an illness changed their personality, or an injury. Personality, I think, is partly based on experience and outside influences, and partly on something quite definite in an actual physiological way.

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Oh! Oh! Mind-altering poisons! Neurotoxins anyone?
Ooooh... temporary schizophrenia anyone? :D


What do you mean by schizophrenia, exactly?
Probably something that isn't what the word means. :roll:

Actually, nothing particular. Just something that would cause temporary personality changes and/or multiple personalitites.


* nods * That's what I thought you meant, cause that's what I thought the word was, but when I looked it up on google just to be sure, it didn't say anything like that... :roll:

Anyway, that's a good idea!


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* taps lip * Now, I'm not sure about the impossibility of it. I have heard of people with whom an illness changed their personality, or an injury. Personality, I think, is partly based on experience and outside influences, and partly on something quite definite in an actual physiological way.

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Oh! Oh! Mind-altering poisons! Neurotoxins anyone?
Ooooh... temporary schizophrenia anyone? :D


What do you mean by schizophrenia, exactly?
Probably something that isn't what the word means. :roll:

Actually, nothing particular. Just something that would cause temporary personality changes and/or multiple personalitites.


* nods * That's what I thought you meant, cause that's what I thought the word was, but when I looked it up on google just to be sure, it didn't say anything like that... :roll:



Multiple personalities is disassociative identity disorder. Schizophrenia is a detachment from reality, like hallucinations and delusions. Both of those wouldn't be to hard to pull of as poisons, since there are plants that cause those. Actually, that'd be cool to do in a fantasy. Maybe something with high officials contracting something that's like that because they've been poisoned? :book:

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Maybe something with high officials contracting something that's like that because they've been poisoned? :book:
I like this idea. :cool:

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I"m not an expert. I just enjoy studying psychology.

Yes, I'm getting a fantasy conspiracy vibe from it. :cool:

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As I have read stories I have come upon the plant nightshade, which when a little dose is put in the victims food, the victim then falls asleep, but to much would then kill the victim.
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What about some sort of toxin that affects all of the brain's nerve impulses at once, so that literally every nerve feels pain simultaneously? Probable? Effects?...

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I've read/heard about poisons that make someone hallucinate...Which actually could be pretty dangerous, since you might see a tree which looks like a giant frog, and get scared, causing you to run off a cliff. ;)

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I've toyed with the idea of story about someone who is poisoned at the beginning of the story but its a slow working poison and the main plot is about the MC racing against time to find the antidote.

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